Hello everyone and welcome back!
A few days ago Chad and I mad a video of us discussing our experience with the Church of Christ, Scientist in Ogden Utah. it was once a rapidly growing movement through the mid 19th century moving into the early 20th century when membership took a dramatic hit around the time of World War I when necessities of new technologies in the fields of medicine were cropping up. Membership nowadays is about 85,000 worldwide.
They believe in faith healing (apparently that didn't work so well with gunshot wound in the war) and that all that we see, feel, hear, taste, and overall perceive with our rudimentary five senses, that life and even death is all an illusion and that the only real thing is the spirit and God, ironically that is the EXACT opposite of what science is be real scientists.
Our video review can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uVbeEE3A0o&feature=youtu.be
Forgive me for the quality, it was filmed on my computer cam and the sound may not be ideal but I hope all who are curious will enjoy. Cheers!
****STILL ON THE WAY****
BRACE YOURSELVES,
AUSTIN'S RANT IS COMING...
Find out how I REALLY feel about the Church of Christ, Scientist! I will post the bits and extras that I had to cut out on the review. I will share with you the full story and what was going on in my head. stay tuned for my full on rant.
Friday, March 28, 2014
Wednesday, March 26, 2014
Church of Christ, Scientist: Peer Review? What's That?
Review of the Christian Scientists
Hello my Dear Readers,
Science is my baby, it is what gets me up in the morning and gets me excited about life. It is what I live for and one of the few things I would die for. The pursuit of knowledge, I view it as the greatest power and intellectual honesty as one of the greatest virtues. This is a bit of a lengthy one today guys, as well as an impending rant, be warned.
This week Chad and I are teaming up in our blog to look at our latest visit and provide different perspectives on this church using our own respective disciplines. Chad has been studying religion and international politics academically and as an intensive hobby for over a decade and has himself been immersed in and actively practicing several religions on differing ends of the spectrum. He also studied RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults), an intensive 9 month course as part of his conversion from the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) to Catholicism. Years later he has given up all religions and is now an Atheist. I always recommend reading his blog, as it is always just a wealth of information about the history and practices of the churches as well as an account of our visits there. For this entry in particular, seeing as it is a multifaceted approach to this week’s review I strongly recommend a visit to his blog at http://52weeks52churches.blogspot.com/!
Here is a little bit about my own background:
I grew up Mormon in Utah, studied in Mormon seminary in high school for two years, infrequently attended a Southern Baptist church with my father for a number of years on alternate weekends as my experience with religion. I had had many doubts and questions for several years before my deconversion but like any good member of the church I had learned to pray my doubts away until they became too obvious and irreconcilable with my own beliefs. From there I took a more deist position with respect to the Christian god, it was a short time thereafter that I was finally able to become comfortable with my doubts and recognize my self as an Atheist, this was at the age of 19.
Science is my baby, it is what gets me up in the morning and gets me excited about life. It is what I live for and one of the few things I would die for. The pursuit of knowledge, I view it as the greatest power and intellectual honesty as one of the greatest virtues. This is a bit of a lengthy one today guys, as well as an impending rant, be warned.
This week Chad and I are teaming up in our blog to look at our latest visit and provide different perspectives on this church using our own respective disciplines. Chad has been studying religion and international politics academically and as an intensive hobby for over a decade and has himself been immersed in and actively practicing several religions on differing ends of the spectrum. He also studied RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults), an intensive 9 month course as part of his conversion from the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) to Catholicism. Years later he has given up all religions and is now an Atheist. I always recommend reading his blog, as it is always just a wealth of information about the history and practices of the churches as well as an account of our visits there. For this entry in particular, seeing as it is a multifaceted approach to this week’s review I strongly recommend a visit to his blog at http://52weeks52churches.blogspot.com/!
Here is a little bit about my own background:
I grew up Mormon in Utah, studied in Mormon seminary in high school for two years, infrequently attended a Southern Baptist church with my father for a number of years on alternate weekends as my experience with religion. I had had many doubts and questions for several years before my deconversion but like any good member of the church I had learned to pray my doubts away until they became too obvious and irreconcilable with my own beliefs. From there I took a more deist position with respect to the Christian god, it was a short time thereafter that I was finally able to become comfortable with my doubts and recognize my self as an Atheist, this was at the age of 19.
I received a Bachelors of Science in Zoology and Chemistry in 2012 and a Bachelors of Arts in Foreign Language German and Japanese. I studied abroad in both Germany and Japan studying both language and culture, including world religions classes as part of the criteria for the BA.
My studies in the life sciences were largely responsible for me leaving religion, as it was the only means thus far by which I was able to find convincing enough answers to questions I was wrestling with in my life. Seeing some of the so called "great mysteries" of life so easily explained away as early as in my Intro to Biology course in my freshman year of college, was a pivotal catalyst in my life. Because of the consistently reliable nature of the scientific method and plausible explanations to phenomena it offers through rigorous testing, empirical data, and a built-in self-checking mechanism known as "peer review" (but more on that later), I was able to reject appeals to faith and decided that I would no longer have need for it myself. With that, I now adhere to the tentative Atheist position until some irrefutable evidence comes along to convince me otherwise.
Should there come a day where I am presented with new information that checks out and is presented with reliable data and replicable experimentation that yields consistent results to support the existence of any deity, then I would gladly change my views in accordance to the new evidence presented to me. That’s all it would take, one convincing piece of evidence and I would change my stance. However; such a day has not yet come, therefore I remain aligned with the null hypothesis of there not being any extant deity. With that said, and knowing what I come from here is the breakdown of our visit to the Christian Science Church...
ATMOSPHERE: 5/10 candles
Pretty basic. Simple and charming, the inside of the chapel was pretty and had quotes from the founder and short bible verses painted on the walls. The pews were rounded rather than straight giving the appearance of a theater of sorts.
SERVICE: 4/10 candles
The service wasn't too bad,
honestly. The service was very rigid and structured. Short and to the point
(whatever their point was, see message section), only an hour or so. I would
say that was my favorite thing about the service was how short and orderly it
was. Chad thought it was boring, but I was too busy taking meticulous note to notice.
There was no deviation from the quarterly publication that they passed out,
everything was streamlined and done according to what was written in the
program. there were a total of 3 hymns throughout the service. No speaker
commentary or individual thought, input, or analysis. The closest thing to
science these people got, was the experience of sitting in on that type of
lecture that every student would eventually have to endure. That's it, there
was no legitimate science to speak of in the service, they just
"taught" in the archetypical format commonly assumed to be
characteristic of science lectures or seminars. It felt like being in
class but without any actual information being presented, it was more like
story time than a lecture, really (or nap time for some).
There were 2 speakers, one (a man) read passages listed in the program from the Bible, the other (a woman) read corresponding commentary from their "textbook" titled "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" written by their church founder, Mary Baker Eddy, in the mid 1800's. For more on the service, please see Chad's post on his blog in the service section http://52weeks52churches.blogspot.com/
There were 2 speakers, one (a man) read passages listed in the program from the Bible, the other (a woman) read corresponding commentary from their "textbook" titled "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" written by their church founder, Mary Baker Eddy, in the mid 1800's. For more on the service, please see Chad's post on his blog in the service section http://52weeks52churches.blogspot.com/
MESSAGE: 1/10 candles
The only reality is god. Life,
death, all human sensory, master are all an illusion. The only thing that
exists is god.
Really, they were lucky to get even
a single candle out of me on this one. The only reason they get it is because
they actually had a message that came out to play. Their definition of science
the the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it actually is! This pissed me off almost more
than anything.
COMMUNITY: 1/10 candles
It was a mixed lot. There were good
interactions and not so good interactions. When we first arrived we met a very
nice lady who was more than happy to give us a brief history of the church and
its founder, Mary Baker Eddy. She told us what to expect in the sermon and when
to stand, etc. she gave us each a quarterly handout that outlined the service
for the day. All Christian Science services, world wide were claimed to be
exactly the same, getting their lesson plan from the "mother
church".
There were two speakers during the
sermon, only one of which I had the opportunity to meet. The
meeting wasn't as pleasant as you would expect from someone who had just
at the very beginning of their service had extended a welcome and invitation to
all newcomers and members of the public. After the service she came and
introduced herself and asked if we had any questions. Indeed I did, I wanted to
ask about the "textbook" they were using throughout the service in
conjunction with the King James Bible. I had asked if it was like a
contemporary science textbook seen in universities and other academic
institutions where editions are updated with new findings and realigned with
the new scientific consensus. I also asked if it was also written by the
founder of the church herself. The woman was taken aback and snapped "What
are you doing here?"
In the back of my mind I was
thinking back to her open invitation and the sign outside that said "All
are Welcome"
So far she wasn't doing a very good
job at answering questions nor making her guests feel welcome. I changed the
subject to other publications put out by the church like their news magazine
which is as far as I know, quite prestigious. As I left the chapel area,
speaking with the woman, I saw Chad and his friend Lisa, who had accompanied us
today, chatting with another woman who was tall with red hair. We met up and I
joined the conversation and asked her about other literature and publications.
I was interested in checking out the textbook so they presented Chad and I with
a free paper back copy of Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures,
their textbook written by the founder and published in the 1870's. They still
used the original book with, to my knowledge, no further editions nor
revisions. They stick to the genuine article, this alarms me greatly because
they not only present it as an addendum to their doctrine but also present it
as sound medical advice... from the 1800's!!!! Do you know how far we have come
in 200+ years in the medical field?! Not only 10 years ago did we have
touch-screen phones! But I digress.
The posh older, red headed lady (who
spoke as though she had taken elocution lessons)
opened a closet and sorted through a bunch of magazines and articles, handing
us some news mags. She mentioned that they even publish a scientific journal
called Christian Science Sentinel. She read the title "The Body's
Not the Boss", as I was reaching for it the lady I was speaking to earlier
took it and threw it back in the closet and said "He's not ready for that
one". Now I grew VERY intrigued. I asked again if I could see it, the tall
lady handed it to me and I added it to the stack of literature. As I took the
"Journal" I said "That is very interesting that you publish your
own Journal, is it peer-reviewed?"
Upon hearing this they both said,
almost in unison "What's that?". After a very brief explanation, and
seeing that they weren't grasping what I was saying I said not to worry about
it, and thanked them for the article. This was a huge red flag to me. You can't
be a true professional scientist and not know what a peer-reviewed
journal is.
"evaluation of scientific, academic, or professional
work by others working in the same field"
(If you want to hear the full story I
will post it in another entry very very soon. )
I will summarize that the community,
at least the ones I was speaking with here, were pretentious, arrogant, and
very very ignorant to what mainstream science really is and how it is defined
by the people who actually study the field. They were clueless to the basic
tenants of the subject and I chose not to waste anymore time talking to them
that day as I was beginning to get flustered and I could see that the one woman
was about ready snap. It must have been when she had asked if I had questions
and found out that I had some. Or it may have been when I told her about my
science background and my college degrees, stating that her definition of
science that she tried to explain to me was much different than what I had
studied. Either way, she was pissed that I had the nerve to ask or question
anything she tried to sell us.
If it is illegal to impersonate
a doctor, police officer, and other professions, what then do we
call this?
OVERALL: 3/10
A very ignorant lot indeed, they
weren't ready for the scientist's most important tool, SKEPTICISM. Please
forgive me if I don't believe right away that Cancer can be cured by simply
denying that it exists.
Honestly my dear readers, I ask you,
is this unfair of me NOT to believe this? To take it at face value from a
woman who wears the self-proclaimed title of "scientist" yet has
never heard of a peer-review? Who derives all medical advice from a book
written in the mid-19th century? Think what you will, but such a notion is
ludicrous and outright DANGEROUS!! Really, to be honest with you, many
religious beliefs are pretty harmless in and of themselves, but this is NOT!
This line of thinking is lethal. This sect does not believe in modern medicine
and members will not resort to medical treatments for terminal illness or
injury until it is the last resort, by then it is too late. Look no further
than the news stories of faith healers who let their children die, not seeking
medical help because their prayers are all they need... is this justice? Is it
fair to a sick or dying 2,3,4, or 6 year old child to deny them health care
because you don't believe in disease? A child can't make that decision, it is
the responsibility of the care giver to make the choice and it is because of
nonsense like this that children die even of easily preventable or treatable
diseases even in the 21st century, the golden age of information! I am sorry, I
will respect their right to believe this garbage, but I will not and cannot
respect the belief itself. I can't respect what they believe or what they do, because it is ignorant and harmful.
******COMING
SOON!!!!************
I will include my full rant soon.
Look forward to it as I will not pull my punches. This service disturbed
me and its message shook me to my very core. Stick around for the full story I
was not able to include here. Also be looking for a joint video with both Chad
and I weighing in on the Christian "Scientists"
Saturday, March 22, 2014
Acting as the Spirit's personal Microphone: Speaking in tongues at the New Beginings Apostalic Church
Hey Gang!
Life is still crazy and i am still having trouble with the Google platform blog so I may need to make some changes here soon. I am considering starting up a special YouTube Channel for the project if I can ever get some time (and motivation) to sit down and get to work on it! You may have noticed that I have been falling behind and have not been consistently posting preservice blogs, this is due in part because sleep has been evading me and I need to catch the Z's where and when I can. Bear with me folks, I am still hard at work trying to document my journey for your reading and viewing pleasure. I will do my best to keep up on it. It may help if i simply and streamline some things, this may mean that I will have to adjust the rating system portion, we'll see. Time management, not my strong suit. Anyway, let me share with you my take on the latest chapter in my journey in exploring 52 different paths to truth...
Last Sunday Chad and I attended another Pentecostal church. This one however was a little more along the lines of what we were expecting to see in the first one we visited almost a month ago. This one was located in Clearfield Utah in a strip mall with about 4 or 5 other small local churches leasing the suites. Several of which were Hispanic Angelic or Pentecostal churches.
The are a branch of the United Pentacostal Church international, to know more about them and what they believe I HIGHLY RECOMMEND visiting their site HERE!!!!
ATMOSPHERE: 1/10 candles
These guys were very animated and energetic. The first thing I noted when we walked in was the baptismal pool which was nothing more than a water trough for livestock. There were people in the chapel praying out loud, in inaudible English and one or two seemed to be groveling in tongues (if you don't know what speaking in tongues is look here if you want to see it in action, click here!).
Chad and I were greeted by just about every member of the congregation, however I felt like it was just the customary thing to do because we were also met with suspicion and what to me seemed like strained, passive hostility (the kids weren't very good at saving face). I don't blame them for this as they are a very eccentric ranch of Christianity and I am sure that they have on numerous occasions have been the target of a joke or two by outsiders. Admittedly, I personally find it difficult to believe that people can take some of these things seriously. Miraculous faith healing, speaking in tongues, etc. Practices such as these are very difficult for me to wrap my head around and these are also some big beliefs withing this and many other evangelical churches throughout the nation. Some things just seem so eccentric that it is difficult for outsiders to take seriously or be convinced that the practitioners are serious believers themselves. But I digress.
COMMUNITY: 3/10 candles
The people were, at least face to face, friendly. I did catch some younger boys looking back and glaring at Chad and I throughout the service, like we weren't welcome. They played live music and hymn lyrics were projected on the wall for the congregation to sing along karaoke-style. I thought it was fun at first but then it got very monotonous and repetitive. the lyrics were very simple, and very very very repetitive. The thing that kept it somewhat entertaining was how involved the people were, dancing, jumping up and down, and singing. The pastor was very cute with the children in the front, he was singing and dancing with them, all the children were smiling and having a good time, it made me smile as well. There was a cute little girl that kept looking back at us, such a sweetheart! She smiled at us and I smiled back, turning her grin into a giggle that the big stranger had acknowledged her friendly gesture, she was the highlight of my morning and the most genuine friendly face I encountered.
SERVICE: 1/10 candles
Overall I really didn't care much for the service. It was mostly all about praising God's name and perpetuating historical inaccuracies such as the discovery of _____ by archeologists and everyone noding in agreement interjecting with a "Hallelujah" or a "praise Jesus". There was a guest pastor speaking today who took a few jabs at the Mormons (A common theme I have seen on this project) and saying why he left the church. He scoffed and criticized the Joseph Smith story and the golden plates yet hypocritically states how he knows that someday "we will find the ark and the world will know the truth". This was not a learned man, I doubt he had ever had any formal education beyond high school and he relished every moment he was up there preaching. I found the guy truly obnoxious, redundant, and intellectually dishonest. He took what should have been a 30 minute sermon and dragged it out to over an hour and a half! The whole thing was long and monotonous with very little in the way of a message.
MESSAGE: 1/10 candles
If I could assign negative ratings here I would. I will sum up the sermon messages here:
(-) = negative, (+) = Positive, (o)= neutral
OVERALL: 1/10 candles
Not one of my favorites that is for sure, but this is the way they do things and they seem happy with it. I found it drawn out, repetitive, and boring. I did not care for the messages they were sending, I did not like the feeling of being singled out and indirectly called a force of Satan. They didn't even know us, who we were or why we were there, we were outsiders and they wanted us to know. The glares we got from some of the kids after one of the adults whispered something in their direction concerned me greatly.
They post some of their services and event on their website if you wish to check them out, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to go visit in person if they can help it. Not if you expect a warm welcome, or rather a sincere one. People went out of their way to introduce themselves, but it seemed more like a matter of obligation to them.
Life is still crazy and i am still having trouble with the Google platform blog so I may need to make some changes here soon. I am considering starting up a special YouTube Channel for the project if I can ever get some time (and motivation) to sit down and get to work on it! You may have noticed that I have been falling behind and have not been consistently posting preservice blogs, this is due in part because sleep has been evading me and I need to catch the Z's where and when I can. Bear with me folks, I am still hard at work trying to document my journey for your reading and viewing pleasure. I will do my best to keep up on it. It may help if i simply and streamline some things, this may mean that I will have to adjust the rating system portion, we'll see. Time management, not my strong suit. Anyway, let me share with you my take on the latest chapter in my journey in exploring 52 different paths to truth...
This is their welcome sign
Last Sunday Chad and I attended another Pentecostal church. This one however was a little more along the lines of what we were expecting to see in the first one we visited almost a month ago. This one was located in Clearfield Utah in a strip mall with about 4 or 5 other small local churches leasing the suites. Several of which were Hispanic Angelic or Pentecostal churches.
The are a branch of the United Pentacostal Church international, to know more about them and what they believe I HIGHLY RECOMMEND visiting their site HERE!!!!
So these guys are serious...
" Fundamental Doctrine
The basic and fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.
We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.
About the Bible
The Bible is the infallible Word of God and the authority for salvation and Christian living. (See II Timothy 3:15-17.)
About God
There is one God, who has revealed Himself as our Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and as the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is God manifested in flesh. He is both God and man. (See Deuteronomy 6:4; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.)
About Sin and Salvation
Everyone has sinned and needs salvation. Salvation comes by grace through faith based on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. (See Romans 3:23-25; 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9.)
About the Gospel
The saving gospel is the good news that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. We obey the gospel (II Thessalonians 1:8; I Peter 4:17) by repentance (death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial), and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection). (See I Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4.)
About Christian Living
As Christians we are to love God and others. We should live a holy life inwardly and outwardly, and worship God joyfully. The supernatural gifts of the Spirit, including healing, are for the church today. (See Mark 12:28-31; II Corinthians 7:1; Hebrews 12:14; I Corinthians 12:8-10.)
About the Future
Jesus Christ is coming again to catch away His church. In the end will be the final resurrection and the final judgment. The righteous will inherit eternal life, and the unrighteous eternal death. (See I Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:11-15.)"
ATMOSPHERE: 1/10 candles
These guys were very animated and energetic. The first thing I noted when we walked in was the baptismal pool which was nothing more than a water trough for livestock. There were people in the chapel praying out loud, in inaudible English and one or two seemed to be groveling in tongues (if you don't know what speaking in tongues is look here if you want to see it in action, click here!).
Their baptismal pool.
Chad and I were greeted by just about every member of the congregation, however I felt like it was just the customary thing to do because we were also met with suspicion and what to me seemed like strained, passive hostility (the kids weren't very good at saving face). I don't blame them for this as they are a very eccentric ranch of Christianity and I am sure that they have on numerous occasions have been the target of a joke or two by outsiders. Admittedly, I personally find it difficult to believe that people can take some of these things seriously. Miraculous faith healing, speaking in tongues, etc. Practices such as these are very difficult for me to wrap my head around and these are also some big beliefs withing this and many other evangelical churches throughout the nation. Some things just seem so eccentric that it is difficult for outsiders to take seriously or be convinced that the practitioners are serious believers themselves. But I digress.
COMMUNITY: 3/10 candles
The people were, at least face to face, friendly. I did catch some younger boys looking back and glaring at Chad and I throughout the service, like we weren't welcome. They played live music and hymn lyrics were projected on the wall for the congregation to sing along karaoke-style. I thought it was fun at first but then it got very monotonous and repetitive. the lyrics were very simple, and very very very repetitive. The thing that kept it somewhat entertaining was how involved the people were, dancing, jumping up and down, and singing. The pastor was very cute with the children in the front, he was singing and dancing with them, all the children were smiling and having a good time, it made me smile as well. There was a cute little girl that kept looking back at us, such a sweetheart! She smiled at us and I smiled back, turning her grin into a giggle that the big stranger had acknowledged her friendly gesture, she was the highlight of my morning and the most genuine friendly face I encountered.
SERVICE: 1/10 candles
Overall I really didn't care much for the service. It was mostly all about praising God's name and perpetuating historical inaccuracies such as the discovery of _____ by archeologists and everyone noding in agreement interjecting with a "Hallelujah" or a "praise Jesus". There was a guest pastor speaking today who took a few jabs at the Mormons (A common theme I have seen on this project) and saying why he left the church. He scoffed and criticized the Joseph Smith story and the golden plates yet hypocritically states how he knows that someday "we will find the ark and the world will know the truth". This was not a learned man, I doubt he had ever had any formal education beyond high school and he relished every moment he was up there preaching. I found the guy truly obnoxious, redundant, and intellectually dishonest. He took what should have been a 30 minute sermon and dragged it out to over an hour and a half! The whole thing was long and monotonous with very little in the way of a message.
MESSAGE: 1/10 candles
If I could assign negative ratings here I would. I will sum up the sermon messages here:
(-) = negative, (+) = Positive, (o)= neutral
- "we are the ONE true church.We don't spread lies to our children like other religions" (we are right everyone else is wrong) (-)
- God is responsible for and allows suffering but he has a good reason for it. (don't worry yourself with the bad things, God will take care of it)(-)
- Can't nobody do you like Jesus (o)
- "We need more Bible-churches, truth-speaking churches" (What about diversity?) (-)
- Demons are everywhere (Be afraid, be very afraid)(-)
- God worked miracles 2000 yrs ago, he still does today (o)
- Do things for God's reward and avoid suffering eternal hellfire (How about doing nice things for the sake of doing nice things? I help others without expecting a reward because I would appreciate it myself, it is the right thing to do. I took a lot of issue with this message)(-)
- All sins are equal (Are they?)(-)
- You can only be saved through Jesus (o)
- Convert EVERYONE (What happened to live and let live?) (-)
OVERALL: 1/10 candles
Not one of my favorites that is for sure, but this is the way they do things and they seem happy with it. I found it drawn out, repetitive, and boring. I did not care for the messages they were sending, I did not like the feeling of being singled out and indirectly called a force of Satan. They didn't even know us, who we were or why we were there, we were outsiders and they wanted us to know. The glares we got from some of the kids after one of the adults whispered something in their direction concerned me greatly.
They post some of their services and event on their website if you wish to check them out, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to go visit in person if they can help it. Not if you expect a warm welcome, or rather a sincere one. People went out of their way to introduce themselves, but it seemed more like a matter of obligation to them.
Sunday, March 16, 2014
Mormons: The Community of Christ
Hello Everybody!
Hope you are all well. It has been a very hectic week (yes, another one, like 40 hours in the last 2 days hectic) so I did not get a chance to post a pre-service blog, nor did I mention where we were going this week, I am sure the anticipation has been killing you.So this week I can only give you one entry on our choice of denomination this past Sunday, but I'll get to that in a second.
Last week I visited the Mormons in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building for their Sacrament Service. that wasn't all we saw that day however, we also visited a few of the famous sites in the area such as the Mormon History Museum. I also mentioned that there would be an additional two more entries on the LDS, I'll get to those when I have a spare moment, I have a l ton my plate working two jobs and trying to get my continuing education matters in order. Please know I haven't forgotten about my readers. I plan to write about the other places we visited on that Sunday as well as my own personal take and experience on the Mormon church (which was promised in my first ever entry in this blog), but for today I will cover the most recent adventure visiting ANOTHER Mormon sect, ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you the Community of Christ!
Formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), the community of Christ is a more liberal and progressive counterpart to the mainstream Mormon religion known as “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”. With the LDS church claiming over 14 million members worldwide as of December 2011 and the Community of Christ reporting only a 250,000 worldwide membership as of 2012
for more info on the Comunity of Christ look here and their own website here !! :D
The Community of Christ has an interesting bit of history behind it. It was the result of a splitting off between groups of original followers of Joseph Smith over who they felt should lead the church. On June 27th 1844, Joseph Smith was killed in Carthage Jail, the sudden loss of their prophet and leader left the followers in a rough situation where they needed to figure out who was to lead the church from that point on.
It was largely divided between two candidates; Brigham Young, Joseph Smith’s right hand man and second in command, or the progeny of Joseph Smith himself, his son Joseph Smith Jr. who at the time was still a child and couldn’t lead there and then.
So that is just a brief history of the founding of the Church. I have included here a video blog review of the service. When I get time I will finish the written portion, until then please enjoy the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWFcDlMCmU&feature=youtu.be
Hope you are all well. It has been a very hectic week (yes, another one, like 40 hours in the last 2 days hectic) so I did not get a chance to post a pre-service blog, nor did I mention where we were going this week, I am sure the anticipation has been killing you.So this week I can only give you one entry on our choice of denomination this past Sunday, but I'll get to that in a second.
Last week I visited the Mormons in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building for their Sacrament Service. that wasn't all we saw that day however, we also visited a few of the famous sites in the area such as the Mormon History Museum. I also mentioned that there would be an additional two more entries on the LDS, I'll get to those when I have a spare moment, I have a l ton my plate working two jobs and trying to get my continuing education matters in order. Please know I haven't forgotten about my readers. I plan to write about the other places we visited on that Sunday as well as my own personal take and experience on the Mormon church (which was promised in my first ever entry in this blog), but for today I will cover the most recent adventure visiting ANOTHER Mormon sect, ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you the Community of Christ!
Formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), the community of Christ is a more liberal and progressive counterpart to the mainstream Mormon religion known as “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”. With the LDS church claiming over 14 million members worldwide as of December 2011 and the Community of Christ reporting only a 250,000 worldwide membership as of 2012
for more info on the Comunity of Christ look here and their own website here !! :D
The Community of Christ has an interesting bit of history behind it. It was the result of a splitting off between groups of original followers of Joseph Smith over who they felt should lead the church. On June 27th 1844, Joseph Smith was killed in Carthage Jail, the sudden loss of their prophet and leader left the followers in a rough situation where they needed to figure out who was to lead the church from that point on.
It was largely divided between two candidates; Brigham Young, Joseph Smith’s right hand man and second in command, or the progeny of Joseph Smith himself, his son Joseph Smith Jr. who at the time was still a child and couldn’t lead there and then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWFcDlMCmU&feature=youtu.be
Thursday, March 6, 2014
Mormon Sacrament Service: The Church of my Early Years, the Saints of Latter Days
Hello once again everyone!
This is a special chapter in my journey, the Mormon Church.
I am planning on additional writing on the subject which will be explained
below. If you would like to jump right into the review, feel free to skip ahead
into the “Quick Note” section. There is a lot of reading in this one...
This week Chad and I visited a Mormon sacrament service.
Now, being that we are in the Mormon capital of the world, it would be a shame
not to take advantage of that and go all out by attending the service in as big
and important a chapel as possible, the gold room of the Joseph Smith Memorial
Building right across from the Salt Lake City Mormon temple in Utah’s Capital
city. Oh yeah, we went all out on this one. Being that there is so much to
cover I will follow Chad’s lead and break this one into a few different entries
beginning with the usual synopsis of the service and of course the breakdown
and review.
This will be part one in a series of three entries I will
write to cover the LDS Faith. I go into more detail on this particular religion
for a couple of reasons; first, because it is the faith with which I am most
well acquainted and has been and continues to be a very big part of my life. It
is the dominant religion in my home state, it is the faith of much of my family
here, and it was the faith of my childhood through my teenage years. Secondly,
it is a curious belief system that has occasionally entered the spotlight in
films, satirical TV series and musicals, and more recently gained public
interest during the latest presidential election with Governor Mitt Romney, a
republican, running against incumbent democrat, Barak Obama. There is a lot of
mystery surrounding the Mormon Church and what it is that they really believe.
I have been meaning, for some time now, to write at length about stereotypes
and myths surrounding the church as well as sharing my experiences and what I was
taught in seminary, Sunday school, etc. I will save that for another day and
perhaps another independent project, we will see. So here’s the plan
1)
This entry will be business as usual and follow
the same format as other entries in this blog. I’ll talk about the service, my
thoughts and reaction, and I will rate it in categories.
2)
The second entry will cover the visit to the Mormon
History Museum we visited the same day before the sacrament service. Here I
will talk more about the history and background of the church.
3)
Lastly, I will talk about my own experience with
the church, why I left, and some of the central dogma and core beliefs of the church
as I was taught them.
These are in the planning stages yet, so they may be subject
to alterations and adjustments, but here is the framework of what you might
expect if you care to follow. Without further ado, here’s my breakdown of the
visit …
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QUICK NOTE:
I am aware that I have a history in this church. I want to
assure all readers that I made and will continue to make a concentrated effort
to set aside all bias and personal feelings, reservations, and personal history
while covering the Mormon Church. It will be treated just as any other, with
fairness, integrity, and honesty. I will not in any way pull punches to placate
my family who may be reading this, nor will I deal out consciously harsh or
undue criticism. With that said, let’s begin.
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ATMOSPHERE: 6/10 candles
The Joseph Smith Memorial Building was actually very pretty.
The building was once a Hotel but later converted to the Joseph Smith Memorial.
The ground floor lobby was very wide and open with a large crystal chandelier
overhead. It had several floors, the
sacrament service which we attended was on the second floor in what was called
the golden room. Directly across the open lobby was the Jade room which was a
much smaller and quaint room with padded chairs like those you would find at a
seminar or similar event that required quick rearrangement. The gold room was
where the sacrament was held. The entrance was a series of very high doors. It
was much more open than the Jade Room and had two chambers, the main one where
the pulpit, pews, and sacrament tables were and another one further back that
could have easily been sanctioned off by closing a few doors in the back of the
main chapel.
(this is the main lobby)
(Statue of Joseph Smith, the Founder of the faith)
(Here is the ceiling of the chapel, note the fruit carvings on the wall and the floral design on the ceiling. Not my style, but still very pretty!)
It was a very quiet atmosphere though you could hear quiet
conversations among the congregation. I noticed that the majority of the
members here at this service were quite elderly, it may also be because this
was the afternoon service (12:50 pm). There were however a few younger brothers
and sisters (LDS members, like the JWs address each other as brother and sister).
The room was much more ornate than the chapels of my youth, however sitting
there and listening to the music as the congregation was waiting for the
service to begin brought back many memories of my earlier days when I would sit
in sacrament. The music was just as I remembered it, very difficult to put into
words, but the association I had of it
wasn’t good, nor bad, it just meant that I would for the next couple of hours
have to remain quiet and anxiously wait for the service to end. I have never
been a fan of the Mormon Hymns and music. It is very slow and has quite a few
verses, a few of the hymns that were sung at this service had upwards of six
verses, all of them sung.
The walls were ornate with carvings of fruit and other
biblically relevant shapes, I think this may have been alluding to the garden
of Eden. The Genesis story is a very important component of Mormon doctrine, in
fact, much of the sacred temple endowment ceremony revolves around the Adam and
Eve story. The ceiling was painted white and trimmed with gold. Very flowery
and intricate carvings in the wood made it almost look Baroque in style. While honestly
I did feel a little uncomfortable, I could tell that there was a very reverent
atmosphere. I also noticed several curious glances thrown our way so there too
was the element of being watched. So, because of the lovely décor and cleanliness
I gave the atmosphere a generous 6 candle rating.
COMMUNITY: 3/10 candles
We really didn’t get a lot of interaction with members of
the congregation. One of the few exchanges we had was with an elderly gentleman
downstairs who told us where the service was being held. He didn’t seem too
happy that we were there. He didn’t really go out of his way to give us a smile
or anything, it seemed more like indifference or offense that we would sit in
on a sacrament service. Either way, the man did not make me feel welcome as I
have been in other services.
During the service, the deacons at the sacrament table kept
glancing at us throughout the service without so much as a nod, again, it felt
like we were crashing some sort of private event, which made me feel a bit
uncomfortable. If I remember correctly, Mormon church services were very open
to the public and people were encouraged to be involved in most events. This
has been my experience at least with my local wards in the small communities in
Layton, Utah where I grew up. This one seemed a bit different however, were we
being mistaken for tourists? Was it because we weren’t dressed formal enough?
Did we do something disrespectful? I am not sure.
I give 3 candles for the interactions among the
congregation. They were I tight group that really seemed to care for one
another. Today there was also a baby blessing and many people showed up to show
their support. Baby blessings still, as I understand it, are not private and
anyone who chooses to attend the service that day is permitted to watch.
SERVICE: 1/10 candles
I knew going in that I should not expect it to be as dynamic
and involved as some of the other services of different denominations I visited,
I knew this from experience. It isn’t the sort of service people go to have
fun, it seems more like a spiritual duty. They take it as seriously as a med
student takes their studies in class, it is spiritual education.
Today was a special service as it was the first Sunday of month
meaning that it was what is known as Fast Sunday. They observe a fast and
during the sacrament service, members of the ward may participate in bearing
their testimonies. These are often very emotionally driven speeches or stories
telling of what the church as done for them, how they found the church, sharing
fond memories, remembering someone they loved, and it almost assuredly ends in
the tearful recitation of the famous mantra “… and I know this church is true”.
The stories can be anywhere from inspirational and uplifting to depressing or a
bit hammy. I could look around the room and see, almost on cue, that members
were brought tears at the deep, emotional stories shared by those brave enough
to approach the pulpit. There were also a few microphones being passed around
to those who wanted to share but could not walk up to the front.
First on the agenda was the baby blessing. A family had just
received a newborn and wanted to have it blessed. It is a pretty simple
ceremony where some members of the family and some other trusted members of the
ward (all male because at the time of this writing, women cannot hold the priesthood,
that is, a special privilege or level of church authority) gather around the
person holding the newborn, place their hands on the head or hands of the other
brothers and one says a short prayer asking for the child to live a full, happy,
and healthy Mormon life and to live pure and spread the Gospel. Missionary work
is heavily encouraged in the LDS faith. I actually thought it a nice gesture to
wish for the happiness and prosperity for the child, so there is a win.
However, I didn’t care much for the part about wishing the baby to live
specifically a Mormon life and that part about perpetuating the religion, it
almost sounded like it was more about spreading the religion than about the
baby. Can’t they just wish the child to live a happy and prosperous life
regardless of the path they choose?
After the blessing, came the testimonies; the bishop spoke
first. He made a few announcements then began sharing a story about when he was
on a mission (Mormons are strongly urged to pursue missionary work). He was
somewhere in Latin America and talked about how the primary religion there was
Catholicism. He mentioned that while he was serving he would often meet people
who, during missionary visits would want to use their own Bible for the
discussions because they didn’t know how much it differed from the ones the
missionaries use. He witnessed them pulling out Bibles from closets that have
never even been opened “They have had these for years but never read them because
in the Catholic religion people are discouraged from reading their scriptures”,
it was at this point that I saw Chad scribbling frantically in his notebook.
Chad is VERY familiar with the Catholic faith and its teachings and I am truly
amazed he did not stand up and call out the bishop on this. To find out more
about his take on this you can read Chad’s blog here. I caught that as well
and took great issue with it because this man was either 1) knowingly lying to
the congregation about his experience 2) embellishing the story and isn’t at
all familiar with Catholic teachings 3) is familiar with Catholic history and
only chose to share an outdated part of it without mentioning the context.
In the 1500’s yes people couldn’t read their Bible because
first of all there weren’t many Bibles to go around and also compounded by the
fact that so many people throughout the world were largely illiterate. Bibles
in these times were also written mostly in Latin, not the common tongue of the
country where the various members lived, so only the clergy who were trained in
Latin were able to read it, even if there were people literate in their mother
language. The purpose of this was so that people couldn’t take the Bible out of
context as seen by church authorities, they didn’t want things left open to
interpretation. This is also one reason why symbolism is so important in
Catholicism is because people were illiterate, they needed special symbols or
icons to know which saint is which, for example, Saint Paul is often depicted
carrying a sword, etc. Here the bishop
lost many points with me. I am no scholar, but I am doing my best to understand
what I can and I am going out to see for myself, how people worship. I am
making a concentrated effort to educate myself so if any of the information I
present is inaccurate, I would consider it a great courtesy to correct me if I
am wrong. This guy did not give a fair assessment of the other faith. So there’s
my two cents.
There was one lady who went up there with her child who
could not have been over the age of 6 or 7 years old. At this point I really
began to get uncomfortable because, I remember seeing kids in church years ago
in my age group have their parents convince them to go up and bear their
testimony, but I remember at the age not even knowing what a testimony was, so
how could children stand before an entire congregation and testify that they
know this church is true when they are not even old enough to understand it.
When the lady made it up to the pulpit, the child didn’t want to speak. She
said that her daughter had something she wanted to say but changed her mind “it
must have been a ploy to get me to come up here”. So with that the woman shared
her feelings about the church, cried, and then sat back down. I didn’t know
what to make of this, I really had a hard time believing that the child as
young as she was, would of her own volition and unaided would request to go up
and bear a testimony. I thought the mother put her up to it, but again, I can’t
be certain as I recall once many years ago feeling jealous that my peers got to
stand up and talk in front of everyone, but honestly, I wouldn’t know what I would
say because again, I didn’t know what it meant. So take this bit with a grain
of salt, I personally don’t like the idea of indoctrination of children. I feel
that kids should be taught about various religions and should not be made to
recite that one in particular is true when they don’t understand it. This had
no bearing on my rating for the service for that day, though I am against it,
it is a relatively common thing to do and I knew there was a possibility that I
would see something like this.
The half dozen or so other members that went up to bear
their testimonies had told stories of how they found the faith and the usual “I
am grateful for the gospel and our prophet ____”. President Monson, the current
president of the church was mentioned in a couple of these testimonies, quite
often in one particular speech given by a very elderly woman. She was deaf for
over a decade, found it difficult to move about, but still insisted that she
come up and speak from the pulpit. She was assisted up and down the stairs and
I genuinely felt she was sincere. In her closing, she said that though she
could not hear, that doesn’t mean that she could not still learn because now
she reads more. She is now reading through the scriptures.
There were several more who had come up but I have neither
the time nor recollection to cover all of them here; however they all followed
the same basic framework mentioned above.
I wanted to make one last quick note on the music, I have
never been a fan of church music, but I found this to be among the least
enjoyable, mostly for the slow tempo and long, multiple verses. I give the
service the minimum rating on account of a few factors (with the last one being
the biggest reason):
1)
I found it to be droll and boring. Bishop could
have done a lot better in being more enthusiastic about being part of “the ONE
TRUE church”
2)
Music was bad and monotonous
3)
Bishop distributed blatantly false information
and misrepresented another religion before his congregation which I found to be
both unprofessional and disrespectful. As a leader of a congregation, it is his
responsibility to represent the church and set an example, which he did, but it
was a bad one. Shame on this bishop, his heart was in the right place, but his
mind was elsewhere.
MESSAGE: 2/10
There really wasn’t much of a message to speak of here,
because it was basically open mic day. The bishop took a moment near the
beginning to try and make a point so here was the take home message that I got,
the good the bad and the ugly:
1)
It is not enough to read the scriptures, but to
understand them. Make more of an effort to understand what is being said
instead of just merely trying to read them. (WIN!!! I couldn’t agree more!)
2)
This church is the one true church. (that seems
to be a common theme shared with many)
3)
This church encourages you to read and
understand its scriptures more than other churches do theirs (FALSE)
I am in STRONG AGREEMENT with the first one. I have said it
before, it is not just enough to believe what you do, but to also know WHY you
do. Big, big win there, which is why I give this section a bonus candle.
OVERALL: 3/10 candles
I gave this particular service 3 candles out of 10 overall.
Most of these came from the atmosphere whereas everything else left much to be
desired. Now before anyone cries foul, let us remember what it is that I am
rating, my own experience. This is by
no means a comprehensive look at the entire religion, just that one service on
that one particular day. Many devout members will also agree that Fast Sunday
is not their favorite meeting. I could have gone a big step further
and attended Sunday, school, and singles ward. Church for LDS members can end
up being an all day commitment! I chose to only sit in on the sacrament and
highlight the big picture. I didn’t really need to go into detail on minor
things. Perhaps another visit on another day in another ward might be merited.
I knew going in that this would be difficult to sit through so I did take that
into account. I am sharing with you now, my own thoughts and opinions. I will
admit, Mormon services are some of the most boring things I have ever had to
sit through at times. However, they can be a very interesting, and insightful
experience for anyone who would like to know more about this new and mysterious
religion. In my opinion, I don’t know how the really devout members are able to
sit through these every week; and in some cases several times a week. I have to
applaud their tenacity.
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